On Monday, May 1, Jordan Neely was choked to death on the northbound F train “after he threatened straphangers,” according to police. The man who put him in a chokehold was Daniel Penny, a 24-year-old ex-Marine. Other passengers assisted Penny, but because he was white and Neely was black, the incident became fodder for the usual rushes to judgment, with every partisan side slotting Neely into their preferred narratives:
K2 is an awful awful drug; sold as synthetic marijuana, when it is nothing like marijuana-- it is a random concoction of various other uppers & downers, different from bag to bag, partly because it’s cheaper to make that way, mostly because it’s a way to evade laws.
I’ve know many people who smoke spice (street name), and it makes them, alternatively volatile or docile, depending on the day, the hour, or minute.
Lots of users fool themselves into thinking it’s a step down from crack, simply a weed like substance, when it’s a step up
It takes some effort these days to find people who care more about what's true than what their side is supposed to believe, but it's doable. Thank you for being one of them.
I think people's sense of "15 minutes" can vary a lot. There's 30 second on the train and two minutes of the video (where Neely is still moving). For there to be 15 minutes, Vasquez would have had to spend 12 minutes not filming once the train stopped. This doesn't match his description of what he did. And then when he started filming Vasquez would still be moving?
good exposition of the story, thanks for this. What's sad to me is that they want to turn this into another George Floyd, their buttons are stuck on racism.
K2 is an awful awful drug; sold as synthetic marijuana, when it is nothing like marijuana-- it is a random concoction of various other uppers & downers, different from bag to bag, partly because it’s cheaper to make that way, mostly because it’s a way to evade laws.
I’ve know many people who smoke spice (street name), and it makes them, alternatively volatile or docile, depending on the day, the hour, or minute.
Lots of users fool themselves into thinking it’s a step down from crack, simply a weed like substance, when it’s a step up
Good (and sad) to know. Thanks.
It takes some effort these days to find people who care more about what's true than what their side is supposed to believe, but it's doable. Thank you for being one of them.
Thanks! I try but I have my own set of biases, of course.
Vazquez himself, who you rely on extensively, was responsible for that 15 minute estimate. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jordan-neely-chokehold-death-what-we-know-so-far-rcna83102#:~:text=Vazquez%20said%20Neely%20was%20held%20in%20the%20chokehold%20position%20for%20about%2015%20minutes.
I'm not presenting his estimate as ironclad, but it's very worth mentioning. This isn't some random bozo spouting off.
I think people's sense of "15 minutes" can vary a lot. There's 30 second on the train and two minutes of the video (where Neely is still moving). For there to be 15 minutes, Vasquez would have had to spend 12 minutes not filming once the train stopped. This doesn't match his description of what he did. And then when he started filming Vasquez would still be moving?
good exposition of the story, thanks for this. What's sad to me is that they want to turn this into another George Floyd, their buttons are stuck on racism.
Whose buttons are stuck on racism?
AOC and all the race hustlers who want to see everything through that lens.
I'd change something in your sentence. There are people who have no choice but to see the world through the lens of race.
"People suffering from homelessness" is so 2022. It's "unhoused" now. Get with the times, Carl.
You did a violence Carl!